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Council approves Peterson's downtown mural


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A mural depicting Hutchinson landmarks and several famous locals won approval at the Hutchinson City Council Tuesday night and could be erected by next March.

The mural, commissioned by former Council Member Kay Peterson through former local artist Lance Albers, was granted a conditional-use permit on a 4-1 vote. Council Member Eric Yost cast the lone dissenting vote.

Two Hutchinson-area women spoke out against it during the public comment period at the start of the council meeting.

Marva Powell, a Harrington Street resident thought singling out just a few people on the mural “would be an injustice.” She believes allowing the mural sets a bad precedence for anyone to put anything up with any faces they want.

Linda Wendolek said she’d rather see the area left natural “than seeing a mural when traveling down Main Street.” She wasn’t in favor of a mural no matter what its design would be.

“I got an earful this past weekend at a high school graduation open house,” Yost said. “They wondered about the city paying for it, and all were concerned about the faces, that it would be tacky. They preferred a scene.”

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Mayor Steve Cook said he thought the mural was a good idea and suggested Peterson consider adding a legend to explain who the people are depicted on it.

Peterson reiterated that the mural and its future maintenance will be privately funded. Albers, she said, will check and maintain it annually.

“In fact, I’ve put it in my will that it should (be maintained,)” she said.

(Terry Davis is a Hutchinson Leader staff writer. E-mail him at davis@hutchinsonleader.com.)




Thanks Eric for doing the...

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Thanks Eric for doing the right thing!! PS, I think Mr Miller had some stipulations in his will regarding the land at the County museum and it was disregarded.


Submitted by pk on May 27, 2009 - 1:12pm.

Yes, Thank you Eric Yost for...

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Yes, Thank you Eric Yost for voting NO.


Submitted by WENDY on May 27, 2009 - 2:11pm.

Thank you Eric Yost. You...

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Thank you Eric Yost. You did the right thing. Unfortunately others on the council saw differently. Nothing against Lance Albers, as he is talented. However the the concept of the mural with people will just be plain tacky. We might as well stick a billboard on the side of the building.


Submitted by alben on May 27, 2009 - 2:06pm.

I can't believe how many...

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I can't believe how many doom & gloom people there are! I've seen the rough sketch. It's facsinating that Lance Albers can sketch like that. No one has obviously seen the finished product, so why the prophecy that it will be awful, tacky, etc.? Why not wait and see and THEN voice your opinion on it. Who knows. You might like it. I know my kids are excited about it!


Submitted by MamaBearof2 on May 27, 2009 - 3:03pm.

Good idea, MamaBear. We...

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Good idea, MamaBear. We should wait until we see it to decide if it's good or not. Lucky thing we had the same plan with the Tunnel of Love on the west end of town. I guess we'll be filling that in with dirt since the finished product isn't being used as much as the brain wizards originally planned. What about the Carp Catcher rocks on the river or those "awful and tacky" round-abouts. Glad to hear they'll be getting rid of them, too. By the time Kay's mural goes up, the council will have granted more conditional-use permits for additional paintings on each end of town. With enough "private" money, the artist known as Lance will be busy for years to come and Hutchinson will be known as the City of Murals.


Submitted by UncleTed on May 28, 2009 - 8:53am.

Lance Albers showed the...

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Lance Albers showed the sketch to me himself. I do not want to have a mural by the river. My children want to know what Lindsey Whalen has done for Hutchinson. They think she is amazing, but do not think she should be on a mural. There is no gloom, or doom.


Submitted by WENDY on May 27, 2009 - 3:24pm.

What has Lindsey done for...

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What has Lindsey done for Hutchinson? Wendy, here's the facts: While in high school she helped the Tigers win a state cha... wait, the team finished 12-12 her senior year. Okay, she led the Tigers to a .500 record. Back to the mural. She used to live across the road from the mural owner. I hear they're considering putting another neighbor, the bag-pipe player, on the mural, too.


Submitted by GhostOfBirdflu on May 28, 2009 - 8:32am.

I'll be happy to stand up...

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I'll be happy to stand up for Lindsay. I do not know her personally, but she gave Hutchinson positive publicity at a state level with the Gophers, and at a national level by being in the WNBA. I know that everyone knows that.

But, because of her and her teams efforts, more eyes than ever before were fixed on women's basketball. Girl's were and are at the playground shooting hoops and hoping to be like Lindsay. WNBA broadcasts that include her include the word "Hutchinson." She has, by her actions, changed peoples lives that she doesn't even know. All this, plus being a positive role model and genuinely friendly person. Rare at any level...especially with professional sports.

If we have to have a mural, fine. I think it would be wrong NOT to have Lindsay on it.


Submitted by John Jennings on May 28, 2009 - 10:56am.

Sorry John, but basketball...

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Sorry John, but basketball broadcasts on television only show the college player's graduated from, not their hometown. As far as radio, your station rarely mentions the WNBA and doesn't broadcast any of its games. Nothing against Lindsey but I doubt if she's changed anyone's lives. Positive role model? Yes, definitely. Friendly person? Like you, I don't know her personally but if you say so, I guess we can go with that. Let's retire her jersey and put her in the school shrine. Seeing that we've already done that, perhaps we should consider someone else on the mural. Someone -- as you say -- who has changed lives. Educators change lives. 4-H leaders change lives. Youth coaches change lives. Sorry, WNBA players don't cut it.


Submitted by UncleTed on May 28, 2009 - 3:28pm.

I will not disagree with you...

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I will not disagree with you that educators, 4-H, and other groups like Boy and Girl Scouts change and improve lives. Going to an even further level, good parenting is the ultimate life changer. It is very unfortunate that those leaders never seem to be recognized enough.

You're also right that the WNBA does not get much attention. Again unfortunate, because in my opinion women's basketball is so fundamentally correct it is a real treat to watch at the professional level. We don't talk about it much on air unless Lindsay is in the news, or the Lynx actually win a game.

My point is that while it seems many don't think much of the WNBA or the Gopher women's basketball squad, Lindsay's great play got the fans that do watch it familiar with Hutchinson. Her play got me to watch women's hoops for a short time...in fact the only time I have had ANY interest in that sport. She is a well known role model that we can be proud to support.

My personal opinion on the mural in general is negative. I just hope that if it is created, it is high enough that it isn't screaming "tag me with spray paint."


Submitted by John Jennings on May 28, 2009 - 11:08pm.

John... sounds like we may...

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John... sounds like we may have a room full of taggers here. I'm headin to Hardware Hank in the morning...


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 28, 2009 - 11:35pm.

John, If we are having the...

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John,
If we are having the lipstick lady and the creator of gopher campfire we should have Whalen too. Lindsey is a great kid... know her very well in fact... but... anyway, if the faces are going to be on the mural then why not have her be part of it.
Do you think it would be possible to have Ann Hutchinson and Steve Hutchinson be elements on this mural... after all, our community has probably benefitted in some way by them too.


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 28, 2009 - 8:42pm.

It will be great!! Lance...

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It will be great!!

Lance Albers does absolutely amazing work, and when people see the completed mural they will be very happy with it. This will really become a landmark and yet another source of pride for our city.

People quite naturally imagine the worst; maybe that's human nature. I've heard some people are concerned about "huge human faces" staring out from the mural. That is not the plan at all - every person depicted will be life size.

If you get a chance to see some of Lance's other work, you'll see that he is incredibly talented. The preliminary design sketches I've seen are terrific.


Submitted by morristhecat on May 27, 2009 - 6:17pm.

It is your opinion that it...

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It is your opinion that it will be great, it is my opinion it will not be. I have seen his mural in Glencoe, and Cokato, and I would prefer not seeing one in Hutch. Murals like that should be on or by the Heritage Center Bldg, or fairgrounds, not on Hwy 15 where 4 lanes merge to 1. The cars in the west lane already cut in front of people because they do not realize the west lane has to turn. Add a mural into the equation and Lance is correct, it will bring business to town, but the business it will bring to town will be at the body shop & wrecker service.
Yes, Lance is a talented artist.


Submitted by WENDY on May 28, 2009 - 7:36am.

Wendy, Lance is talented......

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Wendy,
Lance is talented... he was the creator of the "Dogs Playing Poker" piece... masterful, just masterful! Lance does have talent and is a nice guy too. It's not his fault that someone's attempted legacy will be a mural with scenes, faces, and most importantly a legend!


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 28, 2009 - 8:32pm.

SlingBlade, I heard you have...

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SlingBlade, I heard you have an original "Dogs Playing Poker" art piece -- matted, framed and signed by the artist, no less. I had no idea it was created by the artist known as Lance! Any chance you would trade the art for my Lyndsey Whalen bobble head? I will throw in the certificate of authenticity, which is also suitable for framing. Don't think about it too long. I'm also considering trading the Bobbler for Morris' Crow River Fountain replica, which comes complete with that crazy green water.


Submitted by GhostOfBirdflu on May 29, 2009 - 12:24am.

Ghost, I do have the piece...

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Ghost,
I do have the piece framed. mated, and of course signed. I'm not sure if the bobble would be a fair exchange or not... QVC has been making an offer to cut the artwork into 1 inch squares and plan on selling them one by one... truly a tempting offer. I also have been receiving phones calls from the Hutchinson museum who want to hang it in the tunnel so people who flood back after snacking at Super America can view the piece. Must admit, it would make the tunnel cute...festive... and of course playful!


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 29, 2009 - 7:22am.

Morris, Have you seen his...

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Morris,
Have you seen his train wreck in Glencoe? I wouldn't call it tacky... more like, ducky. please drive over to friendly Glencoe and take a look for yourself... when viewing it, be prepared to fight the urge to spend your hard earned money on the local shops. I hear that the murals have magical powers that makes people spend like crazy! When you return back to Hutch with your new car, tv, and washer and dryer, don't say I didn't try to warn you!


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 28, 2009 - 9:09pm.

Morris, i agree that Lance...

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Morris, i agree that Lance is talented. I have actually been a student of his a few years ago and have been actively involved with art my whole life. The sketch is fine... nothing overly spectacular, but good enough for Mayberry.
The point is rather clear... those that have been chosen as representatives of the community are not worthy of decorating the side of a public building in the form of a mural. The idea of the mural is ok ... but the subject matter and how it is arranged is questionable. I find it as many others will once it is up to be somewhat tacky.
Good one mayor Cook... you better have a legend with this project as few if any will ever possibly know who is staring out from the edges of the scene.
I hardly think this will become a landmark... better chance it will become an eye-sore.
I am glad that it will be maintained in the future... now if we can find someone to maintain and dig out the dead carp from the rock dam, (Hutchinson's last brain storm of a landmark)


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 27, 2009 - 7:34pm.

Eloquent as always,...

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Eloquent as always, SlingBlade. Eloquent as always. Who is Mayberry?


Submitted by GhostOfBirdflu on May 28, 2009 - 9:03am.

Ghost, Mayberry was the...

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Ghost,
Mayberry was the crazy lady who wore pink lipstick and is now part of our local landmark.
Ghost, do you think we could have a vote or write-in contest. Perhaps we could set up an ATT deal that anyone who texts "EYESORE" will get a vote on who gets added to the mural.
Maybe a write-in contest could be a part of Water Carnival... My vote goes to the guy who actually did the sidewalk stamping on main street... I hear business has exploded since that happened... and i think that is cool!
Better start textin... E-Y-E-S-O...


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 28, 2009 - 9:19pm.

Another great idea,...

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Another great idea, SlingBlade. I'm starting to think this Mural of Fame is good, too. Increased revenue for local businesses. Another recreational pursuit for Bobby Pease. A legacy for a local resident. A portrait of Mayberry and her pink lipstick. A winter project for Sir Lance. It's all good. I even heard Beans the Clown is for it. I too saw him peering out his window as I passed by. Talk about a local landmark. Yes, the sidewalk stamping is the work of a real genius but it doesn't hold up against the humor of my favorite clown.


Submitted by GhostOfBirdflu on May 29, 2009 - 12:42am.

Ghost, Is it true that Bobby...

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Ghost,
Is it true that Bobby Windel is returning to Hutchinson to politic to get his mug on the magical mural?


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 29, 2009 - 7:24am.

Indeed, that was the...

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Indeed, that was the breaking news this morning at Hutch Cafe. The debate with "The Bob" -- as many in the know are calling him -- is whether or not he did enough for the district. I contend he made an impact with his "Let's Get Less For More" montetary philosophy and his trademark "The Buck Stops There" solution to people problems. Based on that, I see him as a solid candidate for the Mural of Fame. Most at the coffee shop were leaning toward Beans. I ask, isn't one clown as good as another?


Submitted by GhostOfBirdflu on May 29, 2009 - 8:29am.

Ghost, Do you think Lance is...

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Ghost,
Do you think Lance is able to paint pogo sticks and multiple trumpets?


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 29, 2009 - 10:44am.

Pogo sticks? Multiple...

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Pogo sticks? Multiple trumpets? I thought Whalen was a basketball player? Or are we talking Lester Schuft and the Country Dutchmen? I know Kouba could do back flips with a paint brush in his hand but I don't know if he was well-versed with the pogo stick. SlingBlade, what are you saying?


Submitted by GhostOfBirdflu on May 29, 2009 - 12:20pm.

Ghost, As you know... I...

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Ghost,
As you know... I research before I post, anyways... didn't Hutchinson's own Wally Pickle (sp) go on the Tonight Show with Johnny Carson playing two trumpets while jumping on a pogo stick? Certainly a worthy candidate for the mural. Like to see Whalen try that??


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 29, 2009 - 2:26pm.

As usual, you research...

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As usual, you research department is years ahead of its time. Yes, our boy Wally Pikal -- the ring-leader of the Pikal Patch music group -- was on the Tonight Show. As you know, he was on the show with guest host Joey Bishop. Again, as you know, Joey was a frequent guest host -- I believe he made a record 177 guest host appearances for Johnny -- and would have a psuedo talent search with people "pre-placed" in the studio audience. Yes, Wally was the guy from the audience who played three trumpets on the pogo stick. I was playin' you -- like a trumpet or two -- when I acted ignorant like Morris and asked about the trumpets and stick. By the way, I heave heard Whalen can spin two basketballs on her fingers -- one with each hand -- while jumping on a pogo stick. Can you or your research department confirm as fact or fiction?


Submitted by GhostOfBirdflu on May 29, 2009 - 7:21pm.

I guess we'll all know come...

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I guess we'll all know come March!!


Submitted by morristhecat on May 27, 2009 - 10:38pm.

A co-worker suggested...

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A co-worker suggested putting Where's Waldo in the mural.
I may be on board if Waldo is in there.


Submitted by WENDY on May 28, 2009 - 9:39am.

You kind of resemble waldo...

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You kind of resemble waldo wendy. It even sounds good together.


Submitted by T. Kramer on May 28, 2009 - 11:28am.

We are second cousins on my...

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We are second cousins on my mothers side, Lisa Leslie is our Aunt.


Submitted by WENDY on May 28, 2009 - 3:02pm.

Don't we have some guys...

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Don't we have some guys playing pro football? What about them? The audience for WNBA is very small compared to that. What about leaders of industry or scientists? Make suggestions people. Too early to honor a 27-28 year old in the WNBA. I am guessing her approximate age as she is a year older than my daughter. Honestly, does anyone know the name of her team and can you name another player in the WNBA? I think the mural has potential but I still believe it should be more generic. How crazy is it that people will be on there and a legend is needed to know who they are?


Submitted by charlie_horse113 on May 28, 2009 - 1:05pm.

ooo ooo ooo Lisa Leslie!...

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ooo ooo ooo Lisa Leslie! Seriously, I think the mayor thinks he is going to be on the wall.


Submitted by T. Kramer on May 28, 2009 - 2:18pm.

Significance of...

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Significance of murals…

Murals are important in that they bring art into the public sphere. Due to the size, cost, and work involved in creating a mural, muralists must often be commissioned by a sponsor. Often it is the local government or a business, but many murals have been paid for with grants of patronage. For artists, their work gets a wide audience who otherwise might not set foot in an art gallery. A city benefits by the beauty of a work of art. Murals exist where people live and work and they can add to their daily lives. Hutchinson has produced many great people in it’s time and you would need to build a Skyscraper sized wall to include all of them. I was raised in the community and would need a lot of paint to add the faces of “all” that affected my life and I am sure that Kay would too. Do not take it personally if your favorite person is not on the wall. Instead, why don’t you donate some money to the cause in the name of someone that you would like to see remembered. Last week Lowes Home Improvement sponsored a Race Car that had over 20,000 names painted on it of people that the employees wanted to remember.

Rick Anderson


Submitted by anderson.rick on May 28, 2009 - 6:47pm.

Rick, clearly you have been...

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Rick, clearly you have been spending too much time on the farm in Dakato. The public sphere? Beauty of the work? Add to their daily lives? Donate money to Kay's Cause? You're just kidding and foolin' with us, right? The agenda was put in motion months ago and isn't going to change. The city council approval was a rubber stamp for a person who used to be in the club. You have been away for too long. Time to get a reality check.


Submitted by hutchfan13.5 on May 29, 2009 - 2:13pm.

I hope everyone gets to...

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I hope everyone gets to watch the city council meeting... Because there you have it, a way to solve the economy problem in Hutchinson… According to Lance the mural in Cokato “helped increase the economy of the downtown…most certainly did bring money to the community…positive impact.”

Problem solved- no tax increase or 50 cents added to our water bills.YEAH

When Lance talks about the fluidness of the mural--it starts out forward then goes back then out then in…looks very 3D. WHEEEW I have to stop its making me dizzy. Earlier in the city council meeting,he says that no one has said my stuff is crap “and if people came out in outrage – this is just crap – lets tear it down –I wouldn’t have any problem with that.”Okay then...

Motion passes 4 to 1…Thanks Eric! keep speaking up for your town!!!

I do not want MY favorite person on this mural I do not want ANYONES favorite people on the mural. Like you say Rick, where would you stop- there isn’t a building big enough- so don’t start. A historic look back is all we need to see where we are!


Submitted by corkscrew on May 28, 2009 - 7:02pm.

Tackyness of murals... Hats...

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Tackyness of murals...
Hats off to Eric Yost for opposing the ill-conceived wall mural until the citizens could voice their own views. Now we will be stuck with a white elephant that will detract from the natural surroundings of the most visible and symbolic area of Hutchinson. Actually, maybe a white elephant painting would be less obtrusive than people’s faces and random landmarks. A white elephant on a white background. I was hoping that if the mural did get approval, that it would be a monochromatic brown, but it will be COLORED. Even more offensive. Lance says that he never paints anything tacky. It is not the quality of the painting, but the location that will make it tacky. Leonardo Da Vinci could paint a mural there and it would be tacky. Style vs. context. Bill Arndt says that anything would be better than a blank wall. Well, the bridge is also one color. Maybe we should also paint some murals on that. And add neon lights for extra effect. And frame the mural in those Christmas lights used to frame the other buildings. I think we should put a drug store in the Quade building and call it Wall Drug. Get it? WALL Drug. We could have signs all the way from the other one in SD along the highway to get back at them. The store could have mounted rabbits with horns and cow skulls inside. And mechanical, animated Hutchinson Brothers singing “What Have They Done To My City” when you insert a quarter. The sound could be blasted all over the dam area. In front of the mural we could have one of those boards painted with characters with cutouts to insert your head. It could have Lindsey and Les and maybe Viola. We could maybe even sell the idea of desecrating a natural area to the park service at Gooseberry Falls. They could build a mural that spans the upper falls with a painting of Paul Bunyan and maybe Rudy Perpich. Downtown Hutch will never be the same.


Submitted by pinesiskin on May 28, 2009 - 7:54pm.

pines, nicely done... As...

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pines,
nicely done...
As long as the Crow River's "Old Faithful", rock pile dam, the new fence at the high school, the roundabout, and underground tunnel are all depicted in the mural I am all for it!


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 28, 2009 - 8:47pm.

We should make the fountain...

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We should make the fountain spew colored water to accent the colors in the mural...or if it is on the mural, have it spew water from the wall. That would be another attraction to advertise for WALL Drug.


Submitted by pinesiskin on May 28, 2009 - 9:11pm.

Can you say "dam area" on...

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Can you say "dam area" on this forum?

You are right, downtown will never be the same, and I like that idea of putting a quarter in the Hutchinson Brothers to make them sing ...Here's to sister LA LA LA...AND Yeah! more income for downtown!


Submitted by corkscrew on May 28, 2009 - 8:42pm.

And we could paint all of...

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And we could paint all of the dam rocks different colors since they are so "blah looking", to quote a council member.......


Submitted by pinesiskin on May 28, 2009 - 9:06pm.

Call the council members to...

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Call the council members to let them know how you feel about the project. I don't think they care what is written here. They were asked to postpone their vote which they ignored . Turn the heat up on them if you are not happy with their vote.
They said it is not a safety issue, but the traffic there already bottlenecks. Having people trying to look at a mural instead of paying attention to merging and driving doesn't seem the smartest.


Submitted by WENDY on May 29, 2009 - 8:23am.

I agree that it will be a...

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I agree that it will be a driving hazzard. I think we should build an off-ramp onto a parking area that could cantilever over the river. We could take out the walking path. And put up some of those pay telescopes to view the WALL Drug Wall. And I think some of this does get back to the council members in a round about way. I already talked to one of them.


Submitted by pinesiskin on May 29, 2009 - 1:39pm.

Putting ANY sports figure in...

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Putting ANY sports figure in the mural makes me want to vomit. I don't care if Michael Jordan was from Hutchinson. I don't care if "Hutchinson" is mentioned during a game. WHO CARES??? What does that do for the people of Hutchinson?? Like Uncle Ted said above, teachers and 4-H leaders are the real heroes and the ones we should remember. Or how about EMT's, police officers or firefighters?? They put their life on the line everyday. Maybe the next time an EMT responds to a call, they should tell the person having a heart attack that they're a native of Hutchinson. Maybe they could get on the wall then. The whole mural thing is ridiculous, stupid, tacky. I could go on and on, but I won't. I'm going to get my puke bag ready.


Submitted by Better Than You on May 29, 2009 - 11:29am.

Here are my top two choices...

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Here are my top two choices to grace the WALL:

1. Eric Yost
He was the only council member with the foresight and character to vote against the ill conceived idea. Next to his face should be painted in big bold letters: I VOTED AGAINST HAVING THIS MURAL". It would be the mother of all ironies and people would come from miles to see it. Because of this vote he is a shoe-in for mayor if he wants the job.

2. Beans the Clown
He epitomizes the essence of what the WALL represents in all of its loud garishness and clowniness. Beans fits in well with the Water Carnival parade but would be out of place at a formal wedding. Great analogy to the WALL.


Submitted by pinesiskin on May 29, 2009 - 3:14pm.

I second your choices,...

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I second your choices, Pinsiskin. Yost gets my vote because he's the ounce of common sense on the council. I thought the mayor had a pair but he buckled when it was time to say "no" to a former member of the club. Beans is an interesting choice. Yes, he epitomizes the entire essence of the wall. Although Lance has indicated the people on the mural will be life size, hopefully he will make an exception with our favorite clown. In this case, Beans has clearly taken on a "larger than life" persona.


Submitted by hutchfan13.5 on May 29, 2009 - 2:22pm.

How about we have a replica...

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How about we have a replica of Mt Rushmore painted on the side of the building. It could feature Asa Hutchinson, Steve Hutchinson, Ann Hutchinson and the current Mr Hutchinson (it would need an annual update which could coincide with graffiti removal). On July 4th we could shoot off fireworks from the roof of the building and display flags all around it. During the celebration the proceeds from concession sales could be used to pay for the annual Mr Hutchinson update. Also, turning the main street bridge into a toll-bridge would slow down traffic enough for all to enjoy the artwork without the danger of accidents and lessen our tax burden.


Submitted by just1opinion on May 29, 2009 - 7:20pm.

Brilliant! Just1, you are...

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Brilliant! Just1, you are Brilliant! Brilliant!


Submitted by GhostOfBirdflu on May 29, 2009 - 7:23pm.

I also think that we should...

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I also think that we should mount the statue of Little Crow on top of the Quade building directly above the mural. This would draw further attention to the WALL and away from the less important things like the rock dam and natural scenery.


Submitted by pinesiskin on May 29, 2009 - 8:37pm.

Maybe the council should...

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Maybe the council should consider that Hutchinson has more than one entrance. Since we have a somewhat cohesive design for our "gateway" entrance (sans the view blocking LARGE RED building) maybe they should leave it be and consider how to fancy up the back door to town. Possibly consider the side of Target or Menards for their mural. I read many are not thrilled with the idea of Lindsay on a wall, but when you think of it maybe we owe her that. Hutchinson did not recognize,let alone appreciate her talent while she was here. It took coaches at the U of M to do that. Not enough name recognition at the time to be bothered with, I would bet. Would someone tell the mayor the first rule of putting someone on the side of a wall should be "recognition value". If you need a sign to explain the sign the "art" didn't do its job. I also need to take exception with the posting telling us we need to be cultured by bringing art to those of us who choose NOT to enter a gallery. When and if I decided I want art in my life I will seek art out. It IS NOT yours or anyone else's job to thrust it upon me. The presumption that I NEED art in my daily experience is insulting. As I travel through many smaller towns I do see these murals here and there and have appreciated them. I never considered, until now, what it would be like to face a stagnant colossal mural day after day. I am thinking, for those of us who may travel Main street every day, this mural is going to get old VERY QUICKLY. Some how the assurance it is remembered in a will and will be kept up eternally is not comforting.


Submitted by arcy on May 30, 2009 - 4:28am.

arcy, you are right... about...

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arcy, you are right... about the fact that the mural will get to be old very quickly. We should also follow the Federal Reserve policy of not portraying a face until the person is passed on, to see if they pass the test of time. Maybe we should also wait another 50 years. Les Kouba isn't even one of the 6,000,000 entries in Wikipedia. I'm sure if anyone can decipher this name on the Hutchinson signs, they scratch their heads if they live outside of McLeod county. If this thing has to be done, let's just stick to buildings and scenery.


Submitted by pinesiskin on May 30, 2009 - 8:31am.

arcy, You are wrong......

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arcy,
You are wrong... Whalen was very much appreciated and her talents were noticed. It just so happened that she did not have a wealth of talented teammates. She was and continues to be a great person. She was treated very well by her coaches and by those in the community.


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 30, 2009 - 8:02am.

I sure hope I am wrong...

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I sure hope I am wrong SlingBlade. That was LONG before my time in this lovely city. I only know what I read in the Leader back when she played college hoops. One of her coaches was quoted as saying they had no idea she was that talented when she played for HHS.


Submitted by arcy on May 31, 2009 - 4:31am.

Has an approved conditional...

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Has an approved conditional use permit ever been rejected after it has been approved. Could it be petitioned for a reversal?
Possibly, Ms Peterson May not even want to continue after reading these posts. The council approved it, which would have been an easy out for her. Everyone assumes she wants to continue, but she may be looking for a way to save face also. She possibly had no idea we wouldn't share her vision.


Submitted by WENDY on May 30, 2009 - 10:17am.

Do you honestly think that...

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Do you honestly think that Ms. Peterson would go through all of this work and change her mind because a very small number of you out in "blog-world" disagrees with her vision? You either think way to high of yourself and your opinion or your numbers are skewed to make you believe there are more of you than there actually is!

Keep trucking ahead Kay, this is something that you believe in and don't let these scrooges affect what it is you are trying to do!! They do not deserve that kind of attention or satisfaction!

Give it a little time and these same people will move on to yet another "hot-topic"!


Submitted by Canthelpbutlaugh on May 31, 2009 - 9:06am.

cant, Which building is...

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cant,
Which building is being planned for this masterpiece?
Art is subjective I agree, but... in my opinion, the idea of putting a few of Hutchinson's finest is silly. If Obama had been from Hutchinson I say yes! If Neil Armstrong had attended Park Elementary I would say yes again! Even if David Letterman had called the Hutch Cafe his favorite hangout I would say yes go for it! But to single out a few luke warm self proclaimed residences as models in this mural makes it scream "Tacky"!
The mural of hands and fingers intermingled in Kimball is interesting and kinda fun to look at... if the mural were pictures of Kouba, Whalen, Lipstick lady, and the creator of gopher campfire's hands it would be less intriguing.
If sports are being represented then make sure you have a wrestler, tennis player, softball, football, danceline, cross country, track and etc...
I agree that some in here think the whole world is reading the blogs... i don't know the readership...perhaps Terry could tell us how many are looking at the site.
If Kay wants to head up such a project I say good for you Kay... I just question the subject matter. I don't think anyone here is after Kay as a person at all... I think she is a nice lady.


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 31, 2009 - 9:41am.

Canthelpbutlaugh 1. All what...

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Canthelpbutlaugh
1. All what work ? Thinking up a Library , Sports Figure, River, Sanctuary. Looking at sketches? Hardly hard work.
2. Yes, I think highly of my opinion.
3. What makes you think your opinion is better than any of ours.

How do you think this mural showcasing some makes others feel ?
How do you think Scott Johnson feels about this mural.
(If you don't know who he is find out)


Submitted by WENDY on May 31, 2009 - 1:50pm.

wendy, You are right... a...

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wendy,
You are right... a rough sketch can be created in a matter of a few hours if less... no real investment has been made yet. I probably have more time invested just cranking and moaning about it online :)
Who is Scott Johnson? He didn't hand dig the tunnel did he? No really, Is he an important Hutch person? I've only been a Hutchinson citizen for 18 years so excuse me if he was somebody before that... hope his feelings didn't get hurt, sounds like they may have.


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 31, 2009 - 2:07pm.

I was talking about the...

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I was talking about the organizing and/or fundraising she has probably done and doing! I believe that the sketches were done by the artist and I don't know maybe they can be done in a matter of minutes!

I don't think my opinion is necessarily better than yours or anyone for that matter, I was just pointing out the fact that you stated that maybe Kay could save "face" if she pulled out of this project now? Save face for who? The five or ten people that are obviously against this project, including yourself, on this blog! I also wanted to throw Kay some support amongst all of the negativity regarding this project she is spearheading.

And for your information I do know who Scott Johnson is and what his story is! But this is not your project, this is not the city's project, so it does not matter who or what we believe deserves to be on this mural. You want something different, then go ahead and fork out the dough if it is that important to you!


Submitted by Canthelpbutlaugh on May 31, 2009 - 3:26pm.

I would want to plant trees...

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I would want to plant trees in front of the mural , but I doubt I would get it approved. Actually the concession stand using "The Gateway Park" over the weekend was appealing to me and plenty of motorists thought so too. Public restrooms & a drinking fountain would be a good fit by the river. Even putting The Little Crow Statue there & landscaping around it would be a nice look.
If Kay put this mural on her garage door, I would not comment, however, she chooses to put it on Main St, where we all have to look at it. I can't agree with Pinesiskin more when he refered to it being like taking Beans the Clown to a formal wedding.
Scott Johnson was an officer that was shot defending Hutchinson, and certainly should be on the mural . What about all the Dr.'s & nurses, how many lives have they saved, how about the clergy, how many lives have they changed?
Like another poster stated - There are too many heros in Hutchinson to put on a mural, so don't put any on it.
I know Kay is trying to do something nice for the community.
I am not saying anything bad about her. I know Lance wants to paint something nice for Hutchinson, I am not saying anything bad about him or his work. I am saying I do not want a mural on Main St.


Submitted by WENDY on May 31, 2009 - 4:05pm.

Wendy, I have heard about...

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Wendy,
I have heard about officer Hogan who was shot about 19 years ago,,,when did Johnson get injured?
I am not being smart... but which building is getting the mural plastered on it?
What type of fund raising was involved? If it was a public fund raising event... do we have a right to know what the expected costs are going to be? I don't really care about the costs.. more snoopy as to what Lance charges to paint such a mural.
Can Lance paint a mural on chain link as a dilly of a fence is being planned at the school this summer.
Does the city intend to call it the "Peterson Mural"?
Lets not forget Lyndon "One-Man-Band" Peterson, he may also be deserving...


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 31, 2009 - 4:59pm.

I wonder if Lance could do a...

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I wonder if Lance could do a large recreation of "Dogs Playing Poker".


Submitted by itsjustme on May 31, 2009 - 6:53pm.

Officer Johnson was shot...

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Officer Johnson was shot during a robbery at a grocery store in Hutchinson late 70's or early 80's. He graduated in 1970 I believe, from good old HHS, and came back to protect his home town. He still lives in Hutchinson.
We should see his name come up as often as Officer Hogans.It ended his career as an officer.
The mural will go on the North side of the Pawn shop, across the street from Wells Fargo.


Submitted by WENDY on June 1, 2009 - 8:07am.

The timeframe was 1970-71...

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The timeframe was 1970-71 and the grocery store was Del Farm - which is the City Hall building now.


Submitted by FritoBandito on June 1, 2009 - 10:40am.

What building is the mural...

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What building is the mural being planned?
I have nothing against Kay... a fine person I am told. I have even stuck up for her when others were getting bent about her going away party.
Who's decision to have Hutch people on this mural??
A possible building that might use some style and color is the Southwest building on the corner of highway 15 & 7... ugly red brick and tiny cheap windows... they had such a garden-spot to build a beautiful building and they came up with a design that resembles a brick covered Lester building. Either the builder is color blind or they decided to save some money (bless their hearts) and not use a designer.


Submitted by SlingBlade on May 30, 2009 - 4:00pm.

I happen to like Lester...

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I happen to like Lester buildings. Better than cheesy murals, anyway. The mural in Kimball is ok. The one in Royalton is even better - a wildlife scene if my memory serves me correct. But local "celebrities"? Its like Hutch has some kind of inferiority complex. "Look at us. We've got famous people." Something of historic reference, maybe. I like Terry's railroad suggestion. But lets stay away from the local hero worship.


Submitted by itsjustme on May 31, 2009 - 3:41pm.

The mural is planned to be...

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The mural is planned to be on the north side of the pawn shop building on Main St - just to the south of the bridge. Once granted a conditional use permit is allowed to continue as long as the use stays the same. The council did put a couple conditions about being able to have the mural removed in the event the use of the adjoining property changed or if the appearance wasn’t suitably maintained.

I would hope that people have a little faith that the those involved in this project are committed to making it something the city can be proud of - none more so than Mrs. Peterson and Mr. Albers. I am confident that when the mural is complete and landscaping is added to the adjoining green space that people will be pleased and see this as a distinctive, welcoming “gateway” to Hutchinson and an enhancement to the area. Public and private art can add a lot to a city and its many forms adds to its richness and vitality. This will be one more piece in Hutchinson’s growing inventory.

People focus on who will be on the mural, but there will be scenes blended in as well. As for the people depicted, they all gave something in their own unique ways to the city. Are there others? Of course there is, but it would be a mistake to take this as a slight against them or their achievements. Also consider what each represents in the broader sense - youth achieving a high caliber of excellence, public service, honoring those who serve and protect, artistic achievement, and a commitment to conservation. Those are things that we can all be proud of.

Finally, if people want to recognize others, their accomplishments and what they’ve done for the city, perhaps we could do that with plaques on a wall at the Event Center. Just a thought.


Submitted by Mayor Steve Cook on May 31, 2009 - 7:49pm.

Is this mural going to bring...

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Is this mural going to bring the same beauty as the mosquito breeding ground on the North side of Hutchinson? I suppose the city wants to breed more mosquitos, that way they can tax us more when they have to do more spraying.

People probably won't notice the mural as they will still be talking about the lagoon out their by the Outpost as they come into town from the North. What an eyesore. Sure they planted some trees and bushes, but it will be years before it will even remotely look nice. We see how nice of a job they are doing keeping up the grass on the roundy bouts.

What happened to the "Welcome to Hutchinson" sign that used to be out there? I guess the mural will be everyone's welcoming, even though they won't have a clue who they are looking at. I give it 30 days before someone tags it or are we going to have round the clock security?


Submitted by BigBoy on June 1, 2009 - 6:36pm.

Good one Hutch... A mural...

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Good one Hutch...
A mural painted on the side of a "pawn shop"... then calling it "A Gateway"... way to stay classy Mayberry.


Submitted by SlingBlade on June 1, 2009 - 10:57pm.

Thank you mayor Cook for...

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Thank you mayor Cook for adding your comments to this forum. My three main concerns in order of importance:

1. The lack of input allowed among the citizens for such a major change to the signature location of Hutchinson. The council seemed unaware of the impact and importance a mural at that location could have to the image of this city. You can see from the amount of responses to this article that many people take the appearance of their city very personally.
2. A mural at the proposed location will be inappropriate with the natural surroundings. I feel that almost any outdoor mural is “tacky”, but I recognize that is a subjective opinion. I know that Lance is a fine artist, but the location and form will trump the quality of the painting in a very negative way.
3. Painting specific people will inevitably generate strong opinions and will not be resolved without hard feelings, especially since we have not had any particular citizens stand out above others in extremely substantial ways. The only candidates that everyone might agree on would be the founding fathers who already have a statue. You can say that Lindsay will just represent the achievements of the youth, but that is not what people will see. They will see Lindsay.

That said, I am not trying to treat any person with disrespect. I know that Kay has the best of intentions, that Lance is a fine artist, and there have been many admirable people that have lived in this fine city.


Submitted by pinesiskin on May 31, 2009 - 9:19pm.

You are so very right pines;...

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You are so very right pines; the fact there was no public input on this shows me that someone knew how to get her way! Not right by any means. I understand there was another mural proposed a while back and there was too much input…so what do you do…keep it a secret. What if those 2 women hadn’t been there to say anything? Would it have just passed in the consent agenda? Kay and Lance were well prepared so they must have known there was opposition.
Who is paying for the rest of this fiasco, all the trees- toilets -grass that will need to be mowed there is some there now that needs mowing? The conditions put on the mural were to keep birds and water out from behind it. Wonderful! Who has to clean those toilets?
Wendy…Don’t even think that planting a tree will hide it; It can be incorporated right into it. ;)


Submitted by corkscrew on June 1, 2009 - 9:11am.

Sounds like some people need...

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Sounds like some people need to keep themselves a little better informed and sooner rather than later, especially if they know they may be opposed to most things? Had your chance for public comment before the decisions were made!


Submitted by Canthelpbutlaugh on June 1, 2009 - 12:18pm.

YES, you should keep...

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YES, you should keep yourself better informed. Kay did not do fundraising.
Yes, I contacted the appropriate people before decisions were made.
Kays family was hugging the same council person before the meeting who told me he did not approve of the mural . Then he voted Yes.
(kind of a cozy story isn't it?)


Submitted by WENDY on June 1, 2009 - 12:35pm.

It's amazing what a hug will...

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It's amazing what a hug will get you, LOL. Wonder what a "grope" would have got?
I have to agree with the one main word that has been used to describe this mural all through this blog...."TACKY"!!!


Submitted by TW (not verified) on June 1, 2009 - 1:18pm.

I do know that the mural and...

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I do know that the mural and all the maintenance for 20 years is all paid for by Kay because that is in her will. Lance will come and take care of the mural.

I can’t help but laugh… but I did say the rest of the fiasco… NOT the gateway project that is coming yet with public toilets that need to be cleaned and trees, kiosks and grass that needs to be mowed. Kay is not paying for that!

As for having my say before the decision was made at the council meeting… yeah right!


Submitted by corkscrew on June 1, 2009 - 4:34pm.

We are getting an excellent...

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We are getting an excellent (local) history lesson though! More like memory lane,for some. I'm starting to feel aged, as I recall all of the events discussed here, outside of the Hutchinson Brothers, of course:). My favorite was watching Viola walk her dog in her bathing suit on main street, in January (Maybe February)!! It was great fun for all the kids on the bus, as we were going home from school!


Submitted by Raymond Norton on June 1, 2009 - 1:40pm.

My favorite was being on...

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My favorite was being on vacation and seeing on the news that Viola had driven her car into the river! I was proud to be from Hutch that day!!!


Submitted by just1opinion on June 1, 2009 - 2:13pm.

Well WENDY, I do keep myself...

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Well WENDY, I do keep myself informed about the things that I feel strongly about and disagree with..........and this does not fit into that category. I personally think that this is a worthwhile project and I commend Kay for spearheading it!

I said what I did because I feel that this is a typical "hot-button" issue with this town and this website blog and people come out of the woodwork (all 5-10 of ya on this blog that seem to disagree with just about everything) disagreeing with everything that has to do with said project (doesn't matter what the topic is!)after key decisions have been made! Then they gripe because they say they did not hear about until it is too late and say that they should have been notified sooner? Something is wrong there? Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that there were only 2 people that voiced their opinion at the coucil meeting before this was voted on.........a far cry from an overwhelming majority to say the least! Now do I believe that the council members may have heard personally from some people face to face or over the phone, yes, but obviously not from enough people to change their vote!

About your discussion with the council person you say told you that he disagreed with the concept, I don't know what to tell you? Refer back to my earlier comment about not hearing from enough people to make a difference (you are obviously not the only person out there that matters), or maybe he had just heard enough from you and wanted to tend to other business and make you feel appreciated! Doesn't matter to anyone but yourself, and if you feel like you were let down, so be it, but I guarantee life will go on, albeit with a little more art work in your life.

This topic will soon go away, just like all the other travesties concerning local government/schools have in the past, and everyone will move on to the next big thing, but maybe-just maybe some people will keep themselves well enough informed to possibly have their opinion change the outcome on some issue, rather than keeping this merry-go-round going round and round and round. Better luck next time. Again thanks Kay for your hard work regarding this project!


Submitted by Canthelpbutlaugh on June 1, 2009 - 10:49pm.

Cant, Can you explain what...

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Cant,
Can you explain what hard work Kay has invested??
I think it is a hoot that the "pawn shop" will be the home of "the gateway"... a complete riot. How is Kay going to handle the window openings on this building??? Seems like a poor canvas for a piece of art... but in many ways very fitting!


Submitted by SlingBlade on June 1, 2009 - 11:02pm.

It isn't Peterson's or...

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It isn't Peterson's or Albers' intention to paint the mural directly on the building wall. It will be painted on panels of a fiberglass reinforced plastic resin and attached to the building so that they can actually be removed at some point if need be. Much of that was explained in the Leader's May 21 print edition following the Planning Commission meeting.

(Terry Davis is a Hutchinson Leader staff writer. E-mail him at davis@hutchinsonleader.com.)


Submitted by Terry Davis on June 2, 2009 - 8:16am.

With all the complaining...

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With all the complaining about this mural I havent really noticed anything about traffic safety.I can just see myself getting rear ended while driving south waiting to turn into Wells Fargo .What do you guys think ?


Submitted by Franky on June 2, 2009 - 11:15am.

The issue of safety in that...

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The issue of safety in that spot needs to be addressed with or without a mural. The people in the west lane do not understand they have to turn .Yes, it is a safety issue. Watch the council meeting, they say it is not a safety issue.I do not know who the female presenting is.I do not agree. Yes, I have addressed it with our representatives.


Submitted by WENDY on June 2, 2009 - 12:20pm.

When the nearby dam was...

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When the nearby dam was completed the biggest complaint from many on the Leader Web site was that the new bridge was so high you couldn't see the dam. Wouldn't gawking at the dam while driving over the bridge have as much potential for causing rear-end collisions as the mural?

In both cases, the safest way to view both will be by parking your car along Second or Third avenues northwest and getting out to walk to them.

Frankly, I'm more concerned about people such as the 30-something dark-haired woman recently driving behind me in a mini van as we were northbound on Main Street. She had a cell phone in her left hand glued to her ear, and was smoking with her right hand that was often off of the steering wheel because she is one of those who "talk with their hands." I wondered if she had a third hand for the steering wheel and to signal her right turn onto Highway 7 eastbound.

I assume "the woman presenting" at the city council meeting was likely Planning, Zoning and Building Director Rebecca Bowers. She was standing near the overhead projector and computer terminal.

(Terry Davis is a Hutchinson Leader staff writer. E-mail him at davis@hutchinsonleader.com.)


Submitted by Terry Davis on June 2, 2009 - 12:58pm.

Terry, I hope the height of...

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Terry,
I hope the height of the bridge won't shield the mural from passers-by on highway 7. Now I hear there might be a famous dog added to it too... excellent!
When you think it can't possibly can't get any better...


Submitted by SlingBlade on June 4, 2009 - 9:03pm.

SlingBlade: Is Jake the Dog...

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SlingBlade: Is Jake the Dog one of the card sharks in your "Dogs Playing Poker" masterpiece? If I didn't know better, I'd say you're playing up Jake's past in an attempt to push up the price of your framed artwork on Ebay. Say it ain't so SlingBlade, say it ain't so.


Submitted by GhostOfBirdflu on June 5, 2009 - 12:01am.

You have to start at the top...

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You have to start at the top of this thread. Traffic problems have already been discussed. We still need to cover the following:

1. Property values declining because of such an eye sore.
2. Speeding to get by the ugly mural (Add that to "Traffic")
3. Hazards of property damage (or brain damage) if the mural falls during a high wind.
4. Declining population in Hutchinson due to an extremely controversial project.
5. Disappointed birds as they realize they cannot perch on the Hutchinson Brothers heads.
6. I also heard if it goes up GM will lose 20,000 jobs, and close 14 plants (That's just a rumor, I think).


Submitted by Raymond Norton on June 2, 2009 - 11:31am.

I see in today's paper that...

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I see in today's paper that someone wants Jake the German Shepherd to be on the mural. That will fit right in with the elegance of the mural concept. Maybe Lance can fit Jake somewhere between Wally Pikal on his pogo stick and Beans the clown. I'm thinking it would also be a good idea to cover the fiberglass panels with black velvet as a background for the mural.


Submitted by pinesiskin on June 4, 2009 - 7:55pm.

Cover the building side in...

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Cover the building side in mirrors, it will reflect the river, sanctuary, and if Lindsay, Jake the dog, or anyone else stand in front of the mirror they won't be disapointed that they got left off. No need for toxic paint.


Submitted by WENDY on June 5, 2009 - 9:04am.

The law of unintended...

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The law of unintended consequences.
I have held off commenting on this because I am mainly just a lurker on these forums. This item Eureka AK came up a few days ago on another news site and does parallel to what is going on here. The difference is that, per the article, the city owned the property. That is not the case here. What is brought out with this article is that the display started out just fine and was well received by most people. The point to keep in mind here is what happened over time. The subject matter of the display was changed and turned rather disagreeable and ‘tacky’ to borrow a term others have used. While the content of the display as is proposed for Hutch is, arguably, agreeable to most folks at this time, what is to happen in the future? Are there any assurances that the display will only be what is proposed now? What is to say the content won’t change? Who is to say the content won’t change? What if some of the people proposed to be represented turn into, or are discovered to be, mass murderers or some other unsavory sort? Would their likeness still be desired on the sign? Think of OJ Simpson, if he were from this town would his likeness be welcome? What is to be done with the next person that has an empty wall and wants to paint pictures of who knows what?
The irony here is that the town of Eureka owns the property and is most likely, according to the article, on sound enough legal grounds to decide what is displayed and can change it, however, if the display were on private property, as is the case here in Hutch, they would most likely be accused of 1st amendment infringement (again according to the article). This would potentially lead to litigation. The ‘art’ proponents would most likely retain some pro bono lawyer looking to make their name, but the city would likely have to foot the bill their side of the case.
Some of this is certainly hyperbole, but The law of Unintended Consequences cannot be ignored.


Submitted by Lurker on June 5, 2009 - 2:31pm.

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